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Re: @jscher2000:
"Using this same interpretation, Copyright should never be applied if Copyright is not stated."
This prior manually quoted sentence is incorrect of course and I didn't use a single personal pronoun. So by your quote does that mean nobody said it and it's not implied that I said it? (rhetorical question here) No, there is always Copyright even on this reply that I'm doing right now.
You have that right as a human being, and probably as U.S. Citizen from what you've shared about yourself, to disagree with anything you choose. Opinion and speech is usually free in the U.S. within limitations as we know (Think TSA and no-no's you shouldn't say on a plane). However I was also reminded of the quote of "The letter of the law versus the spirit of the law" which was also in the response I received. Seems to me like you are going with "the letter" for lack of personal pronouns in the License.
If you read section 2 some of that actually applies directly to the Copyright holder:
and
... seems to be some of the standing that legal is pointing out to me and I agree with that assessment officially as the current OUJS Admin.
Which rebrings me back to Contract Law, it seems to me you are ignoring the fact that contracts exist between two parties. You seem to be implying that one party, the initial party, is not bound to anything in a contract. This notion of course as we all should know is egregiously incorrect. Side-stepping for a moment here to a parallel comparison... if maintenance on a rental doesn't give reasonable notice for entering upon a property they may be held liable for trespassing on your property. This does not have to be stated in a contract but Landlord (synonym for the land/management holder here) is absolutely bound to giving reasonable notice even if they claim they can enter at any time (certain implied exceptions depending on City, County, and State jurisdiction withstanding i.e. extreme emergencies). During the duration of a Lease contract that property is yours (and Landlord may not prevent ingress or egress either), not theirs until legally terminated by either party. Then there are implied rights on departure (vacation) of the premises. Evictions for the Landlord or relief for the Tenant can ensue if it goes to litigation. Substantial violations also apply to both Landlord and Tenant. Do harm to either party and the right of relief is always present. These are de-facto implied rights and the contract applies to both parties. Claiming that one party isn't bound to a contract is naive in my opinion.
As GNU always says the GPL license is designed to keep software free, i.e. Copyleft.
Do I agree that the wording could be improved in the License? Yes I do, provisionally. CA wording could be improved as well. The perceived loophole that you are exploiting seems dubious. However it doesn't negate the fact that leaving GPL for another license may be incompatible as I've already cited and impossible to do in many cases ("any" cases as the license clearly spells out). If I go by "the letter" the "any" bit means "one or more", and not "some with exclusions" or "everyone else except me. I'm exempt from all law.". Dancing around semantics is a favorite past time of legal entities but the core of GPL imho is to keep free software free and protect everyone, even from themselves, from making an inept decision.
Do I agree that the concept of an original Copyright holder attempting to change away from GPL opens up the original Copyright holder to contractual violations of a forked version that still uses GPL and fixes a critical security risk, and then the original Copyright holder incorporates that into their non-GPL Program? (Phew! Major complicated and perhaps a run on sentence... but hey don't forget to breathe. ;) Yes I do. The wiser solution is just to keep a change to GPL all around and then the possible issues are limited. One wouldn't have to compete with the fork either which is usually a good thing. GNU even alludes to this elsewhere. Standard disclaimer that I probably should have done earlier... I don't work for GNU and I am not sponsored by them (nor is OUJS).
Choose wisely the first time and then move onto better, more productive and constructive, things like actual Code is still my best advice.
Re: @jscher2000:
This is what I received from legal. I was instructed to hyperlink everything possible (hopefully that's done correctly) and also re-bold certain applicable section sentences. This applies to the licensor and the licensee from the terms that is established by GNU GPL.
§ 0. Definitions.
This License
“This License” refers to version 3 of the GNU General Public License.
Copyright
“Copyright” also means copyright-like laws that apply to other kinds of works, such as semiconductor masks.
The Program
“The Program” refers to any copyrightable work licensed under this License. Each licensee is addressed as “you”. “Licensees” and “recipients” may be individuals or organizations.
modify
To “modify” a work means to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission, other than the making of an exact copy. The resulting work is called a “modified version” of the earlier work or a work “based on” the earlier work.
covered work
A “covered work” means either the unmodified Program or a work based on the Program.
propagate
To “propagate” a work means to do anything with it that, without permission, would make you directly or secondarily liable for infringement under applicable copyright law, except executing it on a computer or modifying a private copy. Propagation includes copying, distribution (with or without modification), making available to the public, and in some countries other activities as well.
convey
To “convey” a work means any kind of propagation that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Mere interaction with a user through a computer network, with no transfer of a copy, is not conveying.
Appropriate Legal Notices
An interactive user interface displays “Appropriate Legal Notices” to the extent that it includes a convenient and prominently visible feature that (1) displays an appropriate copyright notice, and (2) tells the user that there is no warranty for the work (except to the extent that warranties are provided), that licensees may convey the work under this License, and how to view a copy of this License. If the interface presents a list of user commands or options, such as a menu, a prominent item in the list meets this criterion.
§ 2. Basic Permissions.
All rights granted under this License are granted for the term of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met. This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program. The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. This License acknowledges your rights of fair use or other equivalent, as provided by copyright law.
You may make, run and propagate covered works that you do not convey, without conditions so long as your license otherwise remains in force. You may convey covered works to others for the sole purpose of having them make modifications exclusively for you, or provide you with facilities for running those works, provided that you comply with the terms of this License in conveying all material for which you do not control copyright. Those thus making or running the covered works for you must do so exclusively on your behalf, under your direction and control, on terms that prohibit them from making any copies of your copyrighted material outside their relationship with you.
Conveying under any other circumstances is permitted solely under the conditions stated below. Sublicensing is not allowed; section 10 makes it unnecessary.
…
§ 10. Automatic Licensing of Downstream Recipients.
Each time you convey a covered work, the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensors, to run, modify and propagate that work, subject to this License. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties with this License.
An “entity transaction” is a transaction transferring control of an organization, or substantially all assets of one, or subdividing an organization, or merging organizations. If propagation of a covered work results from an entity transaction, each party to that transaction who receives a copy of the work also receives whatever licenses to the work the party's predecessor in interest had or could give under the previous paragraph, plus a right to possession of the Corresponding Source of the work from the predecessor in interest, if the predecessor has it or can get it with reasonable efforts.
You may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License. For example, you may not impose a license fee, royalty, or other charge for exercise of rights granted under this License, and you may not initiate litigation (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that any patent claim is infringed by making, using, selling, offering for sale, or importing the Program or any portion of it.
In summary of the legalese...
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Re: @ts:
So anyways back to the initial question again. Yes MIT can be relicensed to GPL as long as you are the Copyright holder because it doesn't have any sort of revocation terms in it.
TADA! :)
Re: @jscher2000:
Apologies to contradict here as I do value your input but this isn't accurate already. I still have more to reread, awaiting responses via the electronic frontier, and dusting off the bounded paper (books... the things that are on a bookshelf for those who don't recall ;) ... but...
CC to GPL and not GPL to CC ... although as we have maintained CC is Content not Code licensing and why CC can't be primary and it is
ANDed and notORed:CeCILL to GPL and not GPL to CeCILL:
I did have a chance to speak with my mentor, in person, and he says he'll relook into it as well. His experience (as in mine) in the industry says the moment you declare a license you are accepting, and incorporating, the terms as the original author. Each link of the "chain of title" has authorship that depends on the previous licensing. So if original copyright holder changes from MIT to GPL that original author has to abide by GPL as well in all future revisions of the work. Near the very last line of GPL header states ~ "If you haven't received a copy..." yadda yadda go there to get it. As we mention in the TOS the
@licensekey is a brief reference to the license and why it's linked to the actual license (SPDX and otherwise mentioned with the URL). One can still use the headered text, or if they want to waste even more space use the full text.It seems like there's a little of BSD pull vs GPL pull from what you have experienced but I can't say for sure.2 I do vaguely recall a conversation similar to this from the initial OS X days but my macOS was really rusty back then. I'm still in contact with that peer so I'll give him a buzz too.
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Re: @jscher2000:
That was my understanding and why I use the phrase weak terms for this license. So changing as the original author is perfectly acceptable.
Well I'm thinking that GNU should rephrase:
... because if an original author releases a new version with GPL in it then the phrase of "Using the GNU GPL" is applicable and they are establishing a "new chain of title" going forward. GNU is granting permissive and protective clauses to ensure free software (Copyleft). If someone forks it before it "gets switched back" (taking a step backwards in the chain sometimes) to proprietary or alternate (with real changes of course) they may not be the original Copyright holder however they do have Copyright on their changes leading back to the newly established GPL chain of title. So if the original author reincorporates a "fix" then the original authors source should be required to have GPL. The original author (Initial Copyright holder) is using it. Thus the the original author should be bound to keep it. This is inline with everything that I've read on GNU so far.
It seems like it's common sense and what I've been advised (and have written explicitly in a few U.S. based contracts of my own from legal). I'll pass this back to them again. Oy! :)
Appreciate you piping in. :) This is why I just start out with GPL in the first place. Less head-aches. ;)
Re: @ts:
This is a completely different question than what you asked initially.
This is okay:
// ==UserScript== // @name My Script // … // @license MIT // @license GPL-3.0-or-later // ==/UserScript==... in fully supported SPDX short identifiers this is
(GPL-3.0-or-later AND MIT).This is not okay:
// ==UserScript== // @name My Script // … // @license GPL-3.0-or-later // @license MIT // ==/UserScript==... in fully supported SPDX short identifiers this is
(MIT AND GPL-3.0-or-later).... notice the order here. MIT primary can not include GPL secondary but GPL primary can include MIT secondary. A good way to keep this clear in your head is to make the .user.js of GPL and use a Library of MIT instead. Then you won't make any mistakes because it is visually clearer. OUJS doesn't support SPDX conjunctions directly because it's physically impossible with
@licenseformat... so you get to use two@licensekeys and we currently pickANDas the rule of thumb.Once you add GPL licensing to Code it can't be removed ever period. e.g. it's "sticky" and must remain free software forever with all the conditions that GPL requires.
Again yes you may do this. But do not reverse the decision. Already explained this above.
OUJS starts off by supporting dual licensing with
@license, usually one for Code (OSI approved) and the other for Content (CC). In SPDX terminology/syntax it is conjunctive i.e.AND... not disjunctive i.e.OR. OUJS does not support this sort of double licensing, i.e. picking one or the other.I realize that you are trying to understand this but your focus is quite skewed and I literally don't have the necessary time to assist you with this. You must understand a license (or licenses) before you use it (them). If you don't hire a very expensive contract attorney who knows a lot about intellectual property rights then you should probably stick with
MITsince it's a super simple license.On another of your question tangents... Closed source licenses can be considered "Vanity Licenses" because it involves drawing up a written contract that is physically signed by all parties. Is this really something you want to do? If so hire an attorney.
There are a bunch of resources on the web that you may search for in a search engine (e.g. bing, duckduckgo, google, yahoo). One of the more common ones that I see referenced is https://tldrlegal.com/.
I find the simplest solution is to use GNU everywhere and then it makes it a lot less complicated for me as an Author myself... but this is a preference to maintain my serenity. :)
QOD:
Yadda, yadda... beat the proverbial creature with a stick metaphor.
/EOL
Bottom line is you should have thought of licensing first (just like with
@name, your identity, etc.) before publishing then you wouldn't be in this predicament. If you open yourself up to issues with Copyright violations/infringement you are going to never get what is really important done.... Userscripts!While licensing Code is a "newer concept" to Userscripts it's actually older than I am and even my mentor who is ready for retirement.
Another note if you close source something you open up yourself as an Author to liability claims so that could be a pretty inept decision as well hence why contract law exists. If you think GPL is verbose you should see contract law documents. ;)
Versioning has no relevance unless it's declared in the license text and is enforceable. GPL states that you should give attribution and what ever changes you made. This includes version bumping however you may not leave GPL hence the phrase "sticky" that was mentioned on userscripts.org back in the day. What you are saying to everyone is that all one needs to do is version bump and change the terms of the licensing protections that is granted to the publisher by that license. That is very wrong and can lead to court costs and fees if litigation is ensued.
From
MITto any other is usually possible because it's a weak termed license. With GPL you would be violating the terms of the licensing protections that GPL affords you. MIT is super weak as I mentioned... it can be tranformed over very easily which is why I never use it however I do respect an Authors use of it by propagating it. I pick GPL (and sometimes LGPL) just to keep things simple to explain. All code derivatives must remain GNU forever no matter what anyone does. If they violate my branding they better be ready for DMCA/CA actions in a Court of Law. Usually I try to work with the alleged culprit first but it they become obstinate I have many remedies available. DMCAs will end up getting your account terminated.Be inept and flip to GPL and then out of GPL and we'll be able to take action (this usually means removal). It's actually a quick way out the door to do it in front of administration with negative advertised karma. If you need further reading from the official source try reading their FAQs, specifically, but not limited to, at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#TheGPLSaysModifiedVersions :
If you look at Apache licensing it's pretty strict too (a few others too but beyond the scope)... those you shouldn't mess/change with either or you'll have dozens of entities upon you. If we receive a DMCA on verifiable defined licensing, we can and will take the appropriate action.
Re: @ts:
Sure
MITis super weak on terms... however GPL, and it's variants, can be sometimes called the "sticky" one (as it was called on userscripts.org back in the day).The general rule of thumb is "once GPL always GPL" (and this is actually spelled out in the license text if you feel like reading it along with your future copy of War and Peace ;) i.e. "Keep it in the family", "What happens in Vegas, (should) stays in Vegas", etc.
What is more important to watch out for is the reverse. Technically you can try to change from GPL to another non-GPL but anyone can immediately change it back, and include any future fixes from the non-GPL, because you, even as the source author, would be violating the terms of GPL. The source author agrees too to keep the software free for all time. We had an Author that was constantly passive-aggressive and eventually pushed the wrong button by changing from GPL to non-GPL by trying to add terms to the license that were clearly unenforceable... that's not allowed by the license and can be construed as a unlicensing to another. Licensing is mostly on the honor system here but that person did a bad change right in front of upper administration so he got removed permanently. If someone can prove it was GNU licensed before a specific date of non-GNU licensed then we have the authority to take action to remedy that (one of the entry points where our TOS comes in). That's why dates/times, i.e. script statistics, should be important to keep.
You still maintain Copyright of your changes but another can fork it with their Copyright of changes but include your Copyright notice (usually
@copyrightbut can be boring non-metadata text too ;). If it'sMITthen you might not have standing for remedies (legal informational terms passed onto me here as is the entirety of this reply) but if it's GPL you have very solid standing for remedies. Copyright is always maintained by publishing Code but the leveraging needs either minimal protective/permissive licensing likeMITor (hopefully) maximalGPL-3.0-or-later.GNU is true copy left and is designed to keep software free. That's why it's so verbose in the license.
We cover code snippets and comments here under GFDL which means they too are free for all time and thus may be migrated for use immediately to GNU licensing.
If you take a look at GM_config here there are several Authors but the license must always remain LGPL. We give all contributors (that includes myself) attribution in the source and that must remain for Copyright acknowledgement. There are a few variants of GM_config out there with other tweaks but we can at any time incorporate those into the first authorship, which is owned by @sizzle, provided we give some acknowledgement of where the change came from... usually a line of who done it and why (although the "why" is usually done in commit summaries).
Be wise and keep every persons attribution with their original licensing then things usually go smoothly. When someone licenses improperly or ineffectively it only hurts the industry/community as greed shouldn't be a primary motivating factor for the betterment of humanity. /soap box
Anyhow... hope the mini-novel here explains it enough. :)
That 2% and working from existing source makes it a derivative.
Of course... that's why your not removed. Had we gotten a report of this we'd have to take the default TOS action. The upper adminstration (that starts with me atm) tries to curtail removals as much as possible in fairness however above myself they may not be as forgiving.
May want to do this too:
--- /scripts/freezoo/Tinder_MyMatches/source@1.0.1+4507611 +++ /scripts/freezoo/Tinder_MyMatches/source @@ -6,11 +6,11 @@ // @include https://tinder.com/* // @grant none // @license MIT +// @copyright 2019, freezoo (https://openuserjs.org/users/freezoo) // ==/UserScript== // ==OpenUserJS== // @author freezoo -// copyright 2019, freezoo (https://openuserjs.org/users/freezoo) // ==/OpenUserJS== var Matches = [];... I see you removed the
@licensefrom the OpenUserJS block which was going to be recommended.Welcome always,
OUJS Admin
Please go to the original Authors script source and click the "Submit Code as fork" button after making any changes.
I took the liberty of reuploading this correctly. As a consequence of your not following the forking procedure you have lost all your script statistics.
Please do not repeat the improper forking again or your account could be eligible for removal.
Thank you for your cooperation,
OUJS Admin
P.S. You may close this issue at your leisure.
Closing in favor of Frederick888/pawoo-twitter-preview#1
Seems like you have a casing typo here a few times:
--- /scripts/Frederick888/Pawoo_Twitter_Preview/source@0.2.0+3007a08 +++ /scripts/Frederick888/Pawoo_Twitter_Preview/source @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ // @updateURL https://openuserjs.org/meta/Frederick888/Pawoo_Twitter_Preview.meta.js // @match https://pawoo.net/* // @grant GM.xmlHttpRequest -// @grant GM_xmlHttpRequest +// @grant GM_xmlhttpRequest // ==/UserScript== let galleryTemplate = ` @@ -34,10 +34,10 @@ function fetchTwitterPreviewImage(twitterLink) { let twitterUrl = twitterLink.getAttribute('href'); - if (typeof (GM_xmlHttpRequest) === 'undefined' && typeof (GM.xmlHttpRequest) === 'function') { - GM_xmlHttpRequest = GM.xmlHttpRequest; + if (typeof (GM_xmlhttpRequest) === 'undefined' && typeof (GM.xmlHttpRequest) === 'function') { + GM_xmlhttpRequest = GM.xmlHttpRequest; } - GM_xmlHttpRequest({ + GM_xmlhttpRequest({ method: 'GET', url: twitterUrl, headers: { @@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ // console.log(openGraphImage.getAttribute('content')); mediaGallery.querySelector('a.media-gallery__item-thumbnail').setAttribute('href', twitterUrl); let container = twitterLink.closest('.status__content'); - GM_xmlHttpRequest({ + GM_xmlhttpRequest({ method: 'GET', url: openGraphImage.getAttribute('content'), headers: {Refs:
Please go to the original Authors script source and click the "Submit Code as fork" button after making any changes. This includes your renaming of
@name.Because you made some effort to indicate that you were doing a fork (mod) of another set of scripts your scripts were not removed permanently as per the default TOS action.
I took the liberty of reuploading them correctly. As a consequence of your not following the forking procedure you have lost all your script statistics.
Please do not repeat the improper forking again or your account could be eligible for removal. I have already removed another script from another author not even trying.
Thank you for your cooperation,
OUJS Admin
P.S. You may close this issue at your leisure.
Re: @mightysparks:
Do you mean space here? There is a limit on comment size but...
I would start with the top, first, five. Inundating an author with the entire log might be a bit much. However you should dedicate some time to checking this discussion at least once a day to see if there is a response... or at minimum the main issue linkage for this Userscript and see if the comment count increased.
You should consider using a named code fence of
consolemessages too to make things a bit easier on the read.OUJS Admin
Btw you have a typo in here too:
--- /scripts/Chewbaka69/OGame_Imperio/source@2.2.1+61383a3 +++ /scripts/Chewbaka69/OGame_Imperio/source @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ // ==UserScript== // @version 2.2.1 // @name OGame: Imperio -// @autor SGM +// @author SGM // @date 2019-07-23 // @description Ogame Empire, show resources, buildings, defences, ships, require TamperMonkey (/!\ NOT GREASE MONKEY /!\) // @include *.ogame.gameforge.*/game/*OUJS Admin
As we discussed over there in the issue you really shouldn't be opening a security hole for yourself. We've added some simple checking to hopefully prevent you from making this particular mistake in the future.
Please reupload your library at your earliest convenience, with the OpenUserJS block modified, so any script utilizing it will install... like this one.
Thanks for your attention on this matter again,
OUJS Admin
Tell you what... we've deployed some prelimary bug checking to prevent you from making this specific mistake... I'll be deleting your script and you may reupload at your leisure with the correct OpenUserJS block items.
Leaving the issue open so you may close when it is reuploaded... or I will get around to it at a later date.
OUJS Admin
Re: @Chewbaka69:
Hey if you want the security risk of another user possibly being able to edit your script please feel free to keep that in there. However I would strongly suggest that you change the key in the
OpenUserJSmetadata block to prevent this. If we get a report that there is abuse of this script, and it is confirmed, by another account editing it... then it is your account that is at risk. i.e. you will be eligible for removal.I'm not recommending changing the
UserScriptmetadata block key since that key has a completely different syntax. However the OpenUserJS one is specific to your account and plays a specific role for collaboration here on OUJS. This is why it is not part of the UserScript metadata block.Bottom line is you may decide to keep the collaboration this way however you and you alone are allowing a security breach on your own script. Thus you will be responsible for any and all consequences.
OUJS Admin
You should probably correct this since it can be a security issue for your script:
--- /libs/Chewbaka69/OGame_VersionCheck/source@1.4+830cb5c +++ /libs/Chewbaka69/OGame_VersionCheck/source @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ // @license MIT // ==/UserLibrary== // ==OpenUserJS== -// @author Eleria, Francolino & Origin.team +// @author Chewbaka69 // ==/OpenUserJS== // Call oGameVersionCheck(scriptName, testedOgameVersion, scriptUrl) at the beginning of your script - document.readyState must be 'interactive' or 'complete'Thanks for the attention on this matter,
OUJS Admin
Trailing newline is the the trigger in the online editor I believe vs. your repo which doesn't seem to have it.
So you don't freak out... had to resave this to test out a glitch.
No content (to my knowledge) was changed as you. Perhaps it picked up a UTF change or automatic BOM removal in the editor? The rest of your scripts were unaffected by the resave.
OUJS Admin
Re: @rmpbklyn:
Don't doubt this with an online video transcoder however the Userscript source is currently benign at
5.1+056181e. What the target website does with you is up to them... although always nice to know if someone has encountered injected adware. Provided a recent, and current, browser is doing it's job there shouldn't be a security issue. However this does use a MITM conversion site. e.g. use at your own risk.OUJS Admin
Re: @lachlanmck:
Please use a code fence and the Preview button here next time so you are being agreeable with the TOS. I've fixed it this time. Tabbed/spaced indenting can be one of the worst features of markdown if you don't do it correctly. Code fences hardly ever go sour. There's also a guide icon right below this comment window to the far left. Look for the M and down arrow e.g. Markdown.
Thank you for your cooperation.
OUJS Admin
Please use the following diff correction to clear your system critical error:
--- /scripts/sytha/xkcd_keyboard_navigation/source@0.1.2+4f77477 +++ /scripts/sytha/xkcd_keyboard_navigation/source @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ // @license GPL-3.0-or-later // @copyright 2019, Sytha (https://openuserjs.org/users/sytha) // @downloadURL https://openuserjs.org/install/sytha/xkcd_keyboard_navigation.user.js -// @updateURL https://openuserjs.org/meta/sytha/xkcd_keyboard_navigation.meta.json +// @updateURL https://openuserjs.org/meta/sytha/xkcd_keyboard_navigation.meta.js // ==/UserScript== (function() {You may also find the correct value in your Source Code tab while logged in.
Thanks for the look,
OUJS Admin